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gas emissions would affect our decision. >> i think the keep stone pipeline's a good idea for the country. >> secretary of state john kerry says climate change is the world's most fearsome weapon of mass destruction. >> the largest construction project we see on the books. >> republicans calling for this and say it's too big for jobs. >> have a single republican leader stood with us throughout this time? >> obama administration's own folks have said, no, this is not going to do damage. >> what would hold him back from saying yes? >> if there's a crack, a leak, it's in that water. >> we need to step up and do something about it. >> listening to your body against the gears of the machine. this madness must stop. >> we will stand the ground, yes. >> gooed to have you with us tonight. thanks for watching when i was 11 growing in up norfolk,

virginia, the vietnam war was rolling, protests started to take place on campus at old dominion university. in washington things started to get heated up. april 1965, april 17th, 25,000 people who showed up to protest the vietnam war. they wanted it over with. and then one month later at uc berkeley, in may of '65, there were 30,000 people. fast forward to 1967, there were a hundred thousand people in washington, d.c. who were protestifying to get us out of vietnam, it was a bad deal. guys were dying. in fact we lost 56,000 americans in that war. evolved to this, this day, november 15, 1969, that's what a 500,000 people looked like when they're on the mall in washington, d.c. this is the largest anti-war demonstration in american history.

is the pipeline that bad? i think it's fantast ex-that there was a demonstration on sunday in washington and there were 400 people. maybe it's because of fax machines, maybe it's because of the internet, maybe it's because of iphones, maybe it's because of text messaging and the information age, maybe we're just a different society today. i don't know what it's going to take to stop the pipeline and get the message to the president of the united states. but for reference, this is what we had to do to stop war. so all of these folks across the america who want to stop the pipeline, you're in the 11th hour. i think it's great that there are 80 campuses across the country that have mobilized some protests, but this is what i think has to be done. that's how big, big oil is. this i how strong the multinationals are. so tonight we start with some major news on the keystone xl

pipeline, a number of big names, coming out in support of the pipeline. we'll give you both sides of the story. first billionaire nebraskan, yeah, from nebraska, from omaha, warren buffett. monday he said the pipeline would be good for america. >> what about the keystone pipeline? that question was raised several times by shareholders and other whose say, wait a second, do you want the keystone pipe line to come because it's a direct competitor to what would happen with burlington northern? its not that big competitor. it would be moving crude down interest canada and that -- i -- i think probably the keystone pipeline's a good idea for the country. >> do you expect the president might pass it? >> vie no idea. >> admitted there are risks involved with the keystone xl pipeline. >> there are leaks on pipelines and, you know, occasional exposure, that's very, very, very rare. but if you measure moving

millions of barrels for a hundred years, one versus the other, i'm not sure how it would come out. depends what's goingen. they'll change railcars, obvious. >> i warren buffett knew the share would be productive because he bought burlington northern in 2009. the numbers i'm reading about burlington northern santa fe, net worth from 12 billion to over 20 billion in 36 months. pretty good investment. he knew oil was going to get moving. missouri governor nixon come out in support of the pipeline extension, the democratic governor create a letter to john kerry monday endorsing the pipeline. he wrote, the approval and construction of the keystone xl pipeline will strengthen our economy, create jobs and promote north american energy independence. i question the second one on creating jobs. it ain't that many. now, on the fly. side opposition is growing day by day. i don't know if it's going end

up with a half million people in washington, d.c., but one of nebraska's biggest newspapers has come out against the pipeline. today the york news times, number three in the state, said, nebraska should never support the pipeline in its current plan. the paper expressed serious concerns about the possibility of contaminating the aquifer. it pointed out nebraska really relies on this water source to survive as a state and a region, and if the aquifer were compromised and contaminated with oil, the consequences simply would be devastating. so the entire region. a new report from the nonprofit, nonprofit carbon tracker initiative -- i never heard of this before -- carbon tracker initiative, reveals possible flaws with the state department's report. this is what lefties have been yelling about, the report is flawed. now according to the carbon

tracker, state department downplays the significance the pipeline would have on tar sand development. carbon tracker also argues, the state department underestimated the amount of greenhouse gas emissions produced with production of the pipeline. and we can't downplay this enough. make no mistake, the state department report is being hotly contested on a lot of fronts. although on friday, on this program, canadian ambassador to the united states told me canadian government trusts the state department. >> there's questions about environmentalists about the integrity of the state department. >> i think that's really unfair. i'm not the secretary of state but this is the second time they've questioned the integrity of the scientists and the experts in the state department that are not political appointments, and i respect their integrity. we may not have liked the state department report, but we would

never, we do think it's a good report, by the way, we think it's very accurate, but we would never attack the integrity of the scientists that prepared that report. >> the environmentalists are saying there is a conflict of interest glitz a house of card by an independent review. >> not everyone agrees with the ambassador. students from more than 80 colleges staged a protest, i don't know if it's massive, but it was a protest, at the white house against the pipeline. by modern day standard because of the information age, maybe this is a massive protest. but it isn't anything like what was happening dur the vietnam war. more than 1,000 students took part in the protest. described as one of the large et youth protest on an environment in a generation. >> we have thousands of young people here in the streets of washington, marching to the white house, to risk arrest, to demand obama said no to keystone

xl. >> the most important issue that we're facing and it's going to affect millions of people all over the world. >> this is a march to show that young people care, care about our future, we're willing to come together and act, and now he needs to act. we are here together to show forth and president obama needs to make a pipeline. >> we need to show obama a lot of people who got him elected, youth vote, student vote, want him to take a stronger stance on climb and reject the pipe. >> we get arrested. first thing that this is not going to do anything. but as you go forth and you see people come to you and tell you you're a precedent you set, it has a huge impact. the most important thing pitting your body again the gears of the machine and say this madness must stop. >> what is profound about the sound bite we played the young lady said this is going to affect millions and millions of people. well, if that's the case, how come we're not seeing a global

push to save the environment? how come we're not seeing a huge effort into the hundreds of thousands to stop the pipeline? where is it? protesters wore mock haz-mat suits, blocked the sidewalk and stropped themselves to the white house fence. did all of the right stuff to get attention, but overall, roughly 400 people arrested. the protesters' message was very clear, many voted for president obama to tackle the tough environmental issues. if the president approves this pipeline, there is no doubt that there will be an abandoning of the youth vote coming up for the democrats. that's my analysis. that's my opinion. that's what i sense. i could be wrong. i do think that this is going to have an effect. but the bottom line here, in all of this, is that i think in modern day standards, more people are going to have to speak out against this pipeline for the president to step up and say, you know, i've heard

thousands and millions of americans say that this isn't what we want. and i have to report to you, tone, in my gut, anyway, i just don't think it's there yet. god bless those kids for getting out and doing what they're doing. the environment is very important, and we've got to make the right call. we need to hear more voices. you might hear mine later. get your cell phone outs. tonight's question, will president obama alienate his base if he approves the keystone xl pipeline? a for yes, b to know. go to our blog, we'll bring you the results later on in the show. let's me bring in kate shepherd of "the huffington post."com. good to have you with us tonight. tell us about the carbon tracker report. why is the state department report flawed? >> so this carbon tracker report look at specifically the question of whether emissions from the pipeline are going to

be significant, and it argues that the state department takes it as preassumed all of the oil will be extracted from the tar sands and burnt. they say it's not the case. the pipe lean would facilitate greater development of the tar sands by transportation by the pipeline is cheaper than transportation by rail and that leads to increased emissions because we facilitated that greater development there after the inspector general's report, will the state department care about further criticism? this most recent one that i just cited, the carbon tracker, are any of these environmental impact study that might favor not approving the pipeline, you any, have an affect on president obama, it's down one guy right now. >> i think what's important here is, two things. one, carbon tracker isn't some fly by night organization, actually in the state department's environmental analysis they cite the meth methodology in their own analysis of the pipeline, so they've looks at reports before.

two, when we look at president's decision, the president said last june he's going to base his decision on whether or not the pipeline significantly exacerbates the problem of carbon pollution. this report would argue, question, it does exacerbate it quite a bit. i think the president will consider those questions when he makes his final decision on the pipe. >> in your reporting, do you get a sense where this is going? >> you know, i could ask that question all the time. i think that is still to be determined. i think that right now the question is going before president obama and secretary kerry for the very -- they're looking at it now, and there are two people who said they care about climate change with the legacy the administration's going to have on that issue. i think that they will be looking at questions about emissions when they consider it their final decision. >> kate shepherd, thanks so much. steve cressman, executive director of the price of oil. good to have you with us. who is winning this battle right now, this pr battle that is out there? >> well, i think it's a heated battle, for sure.

but the recent entry by carbon tracker is a blockbuster report. it's technical for shoe but amounts to the fact that building the keystone pipeline is tantamount to building 46 new coal plants. that's the emissions equi equi carbon tracker's able to uncover here. it's a big deal. and i think that you know we're able to use that factually coupled with the kind of movement strength that you talked about in the intro. it's not only a question of -- not only a question of who has the facts it's a question of how the politics is going and i think you're right. i mean, i think the president is definitely running the risk of alienating his base and the key critical voting bloc in the youth if he decides to approve the pipeline. >> well, carbon tracker, i mean, i can go in my research, i can find for every study i can find

for i can find against. how does the average joe off the street say, yeah, i think the president ought to do this? how good is carbon tracker versus the state department report is what i'm asking? >> so, for the state department report, you have -- it was written by a dues paying member of the american petroleum statute, why environmentalists raised concerns about conflict of interest here. for carbon tracker, the author a writer for deutsche bank which we think hasek peexpertise how e market will react. you know, we certainly think that this is a much more objective analysis. you can say we would think that but i think it's real. >> how important are the froefts. >> incredibly important, right? i think that power comes unfortunately in washington from two major places, money and

people. and the fact of the matter is, fossil fuel industry's always going to outspend everybody else in their advocacy. but what we're seeing now is a ground swell of opposition to the pipeline across the country. you know, it's not only what we saw with 400 youth be arrested here in washington a couple days ago. also 70,000 people who have pledged civil disobedience if the president and secretary kerry decide the wrong thing. it's a huge, you know, it's the most energizing force -- >> wouldn't it be more important to do it before they decide, if that's what their plan is? once it's over, it's over. look, if global warming and climate change or whatever politically correct term we're supposed to be using, the earth is changing the earth is impacted by greenhouse gases, okay, and carbon emissions. if it's going to affect the globe, how can it not be more

important than the vietnam war? i mean what is it? are we just a different society today when it comes to communication or we're a different people in the way we get our messages across? i mean, back in the day when i was a kid and i saw that, that was a real impact. and i think if they want to stop this pipeline, strength in numbers is huge arc agree? >> yes, strength in numbers is everything. i mean, i think you're absolutely right. i think that we will get to that level for the pipeline and for the climate movement in general. we're seeing polling numbers particularly among the people who are less than 30 that says that climate change is the single-most motivating thing for them to get out and get on the street and get to the voting booth. it's huge. >> it's not 500,000 people in the washington mall to protest this. maybe they'll do it at ballot box and take it out on the people that let them down. we'll see, great to have you with us tonight. still ahead, secretary kerry

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here on msnbc in the coming months, the steel industry, america's middle class. we keep talking about saving the middle class. we allow industries like this to get hit with an unequal playing field for folks like south korea where we've got a trade agreement, you wonder what the future is. how bad is the department of commerce's decisioner for the american steel industry as it is now? >> it's hurtful. you heard it from leo gerard and the steelry? loraine. those jobs are 22 bucks an hour. talking about getting the minimum wage up to ten. these guy make $44,000 a year, ed, and that's without overtime. you can make 50,000, 55,000 a year, if you have a spouse working making another 20,000, 30,000, you can have a decent life making 75, 80 grand a year. that's what's important about the steel industry. this omission here by the department of commerce is very

hurtful because it lets korea off the hook. i don't know why that happened. we saw in youngstown, down the road from loraine, when the itc put tariffs on chinese tubing, the same oil country tubular goods we saw 1 billion dollar steel mill get invested in youngstown, ohio. that's what happens when you have firm trade policies with these countries and now seeing the opposite of what happens when you don't enforce trade laws and level the playing field, you get job loss, and good solid middle class job loss. >> john boehner runs around -- he's from ohio -- asking where are the jobs? he never talks about bad trade agreements and this is the product of a lousy trade agreement. how about the product coming from south korea versus the product here made in america? what about quality? >> well, i don't think anyone can compete at this point especially in oil country tubular goods. and we have a competitive and

comparative advantage in this field right now and we see what's happening with exploration in ohio, in pennsylvania, in upstate new york, these steel companies would prefer to be around where that's happening right now, and the bottom line is, these policies hurt investment into the united states. there's absolutely no question about it. and you're going to get an interfeferior product. the bottom line, when talking about oil and gas, you have to make sure that it is well regulated and you have to make sure that the products are solid, or that's when you end up having problems. >> you know, this isn't just about steel workers. ripple effect -- what's the response of the people in the community when news like this comes out? middle class jobs, they're manufacturing jobs. >> something as simple as getting your haircut, the hairdresser say, i hear there's lay-offs coming and she has to prepare because her business's

going down, at the restaurants, gas station. eight decent paying job affects three, four people in the community automatically right away. >> so, congressman, this is a product of the south korean trade deal. here we are watching the republicans tell us that we've got to do the tdp. your thoughts? >> right. saying we're going down the same road here if we continue with the bad trade deals and the lack of enforcement. it's one thing to have trade deals when there's firm, solid, enforcement, immediate enforcement, not only do we have to make the right decisions, we've got to expedite the decisions because the steel industry and workers, it takes gobs of money to try to get this heard, hire the lawyer, go through the process, and it never seems to be done in a timely fashion. so that's one of the issue as well. we should not go down the road with the other pacific countries there and if we do, which i'm afraid we're going to, we better

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we're in a new phase of the struggle for freedom, and the united states reaffirms our commitment to ukraine's

sovereignty and territorial integrity. according to international law, we condemn the russian federation's act of aggression and we have, throughout this moment, evidence of a great transformation taking place, and in that transformation we will stan with the people of ukraine. >> welcome back to "the ed show." secretary of state kerry arriving in kiev today. ukraine, of course, on tuesday, that happened today, and reaffirmed the united states' support for the country's new leaders. kerry made it clear, russia will face consequences from the international community if russian president vladimir putin continues to act in aggression. president obama addressed the situation at a budget meeting earlier today. >> above all, we believe that the ukrainian people should be able to decide their own future, which is why the world should be focused on helping them stabilize the situation

economically and move toward the fair and free elections that are currently scheduled to take place in may. there have been some reports that president putin is pausing for a moment and reflecting on what's happened. >> earlier today, the kremlin reported putin ordered tens of thousands of russian troops participating in military exercises to return to their bases. moscow has denied the military exercises were linked to the situation in the ukraine, so it's unclear if putins move was an attempt to deescalate the situation. putin won't take responsibility, putin repeated the claim that troops spotted in ukraine wearing unmarked uniforms are not russian forces but local self-defense groups. putin said, russian -- russia reserves right to use all means nose protect russian in the ukraine and military force would be a last resort. putin also warned that, western

threats to punish russia with sanctions will backfire. for more on this, rapid response panel tonight, former governor bill richardson of new mexico, governor richardson, good to have you with us, and former ambassador with much success, and also the president of plow shares fund. great to have you with us as well p well. governor was this a good day for the united states? the president's demeanor and focus on this, what do you think? >> well, it's a day that moves us in the right direction. think secretary kerry identifying with the ukrainian people, with their democratic movement pledging a billion dollars in aid, they're going to need more, be a 20, hopefully, from the international monetary fund. i think the president being steady, resolute, firm, and it could than you can't trust president putin, but you know, it could be he's deescalating.

he's going to see the cost of what he's done. he is now denying that he had any troops in crimea. i recall within he said there were no chemical weapons in syria. you've pot to watch him very carefully. it could be recognizes the cost for him, if he continues going beyond what he's done, is going to be extensive. >> putin today did not seem as confident in his position. do you think he's getting the world message here, governor? >> i do. you know, when the european community talks about sanctions, and france and germany and britain they have a lot of commercial relations with russia, when a lot of the nearby russian -- i won't call them republ republic, poland, estonian, say there'ses a threat to them, when nato's talking about possibly rebuilding the missile system in

poland, they haven't exactly said that, but they've been threats of that. when the united states contemplates -- and i think we should -- exporting natural gas to kind of stop this russian blackmailing of their former republics, i think putin is getting a message that diplomatic isolation and the sanctions he might get might be a little too much. he's proven his point. but he still has to pay for what he did. >> joe, your thoughts on the economic possibilities of not good days for putin? >> this was not a good day for putin. you know, every u.s. president since world war ii has faced russian military aggression. including truman, eisenhower, kennedy, johnson. none of these cases was it because the united states was weak. it was because the russians were stupid. in every single one of the cases we prevailed, we forced the russians and the soviets to back

down. and in none of these cases did we do that with our own military force, we used exactly the tools president obama is using now, diplomacy, alliances, and economic pressure. in the end, putin is going to back down and i think we can do it without firing a shot. >> joe, what do you make of the russians successfully testing an inner continental ballistic missile today? >> a previously planned test, and you heard leaders like republican bob corker on the foreign affairs, foreign relations committee, discount any connection between this test and the crisis in ukraine. i believe that's true. i believe you're starting to see putin start to look for a way out, trying to find a way to deescalate the crisis. icbm test was an unfortunate coincident. >> what about this, conservatives are going all out of their ways to make using these events to paint president obama as weak. take a listen to this. >> obama's the perception of him

and his potency, across the world is one of such weakness and you know, look, people are looking at putin as one who wrestles bears and drills for oil. they look at our president as one who wears mom jeans and equivocates and bloviates. >> governor, your former ambassador, i want your response to that. >> it's irresponsible. republicans, many republicans have been responsible, but there are some that are trying to use this politically. this was not president putin's fault. this was vladimir putin trying to reassert the soviet empire. and the president is using every tool available to respond. so, it's unfortunate this is a national security case, those is important to u.s. interests, involves nato, our allies, involves an important country, ukraine, strategically located

and we shouldn't be playing politics with this. to say the president has been weak or putin did this because president obama's previous weakness, look what happened in georgia under george bush. there was an altercation and president bush did what he could, but he responded almost in similar fashion as president obama's responding. >> it just not the cable chatter. it's those in a position of responsibility. today senator lindsey graham tweeted it's started with ben gaz did, when you kill americans and nobody pays a price, you invite this aggression. graham, #ukraine. what's your take on that? this is really a political football with those who really shouldn't be going down this road. >> i think the greater threat -- >> well -- go, governor. >> no, i was just going to say, senator graham is a responsible guy, a good guy, but he's in a

tough primary in south carolina, so the tougher he sounds, the better he is, that's all i wanted to say. joe, sorry, go ahead. >> no, you're right, senator graham is under a lot of pressure in his home state. department of energy, your former agency, announced it's closing the controversial mox plant today $30 billion boon doogal, so graham's under pressure, trying to act tough. but these attacks are not politically dismi despicable. i eisenhower wasn't weak. it's because of russian stupidity they made the move. i think they will prevail on this, if we stop the attack from our own political opposition, that's the greater threat we face today, not attack business putin on ukraine. >> you got putin doing a baghdad bob imitation today. that's what i thought he was, denying troops were in crimea. thank you, gentleman.

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welcome back to "the ed show." this is the story for the folks who take a shower after work. there is a national push back on charter schools happening all across the country. here in new york is a big battle. the private sector ceo formula, which infiltrates our children's learning process is being challenged. new york city mayor bill de blasio has been an advocate for publicity schools before elected. he was axing three planned charter schools operated by success academy. the city's largest for-profit school network. now today de blasio is in new york's state capitol of albany to make a push to governor

andrew cuomo about his ideas for prekindergarten and after-school programs. de blasio's trip was met with some opposition. well-financed charter school advocates also showed up in albany today to protest his plans. eva moskowitz, success academy charter schools ceo is protesting mayor de blasio's policies. moskowitz is angry de blasio is refusing to grant three of her schools space in city school buildings. she canceled classes at her 22 schools so that hundreds of parents and students could be bussed to albany today to protest de blasio's move. daniel drum, a queens councilman says moskowitz is using kids as pawns in her effort to privatize public schools and get rich. daniel drum, the chairman of the city council's education committee joins us here on "the ed show." mr. drum, good to have you with us. >> good to be here, ed. >> all right. this is charter schools for

prove, looking for something for nothing. >> that's right. >> do you believe that? >> that's right. they're looking for free rent in our public schools where there are already existing public schools in the same building. and the inequality of having a charter school which is well funded with carpeted hallways, with play rooms, with block rooms situated in the same hallway as underfunded as our public schools are, with broken tiles, and with leaky ceilings shows the inequity of that type of system where they want to come in, they want to have a rent-free building to occupy while our students don't have the exact same. >> so taxpayer dollars would be going with the form of a facility going to a for-profit venture in education? that. >> is correct. they're actually nonprofit some of them. some of them are for profit organizations. it depends on what charter school you're talk about. in the case of eva moskowitz, it's a nonprofit. however, eva pays herself half million. her husband also makes a lot of

money out of it. so what we see here happening in new york city is the corporatization or the privatization of our public school system. and that's basically what it is that we're opposed to. >> what is she doing with the students in your opinion? >> she took them to albany. i was a new york city public school teacher for 25 years. in the 25 years i was a teacher, we hardly ever had a day that we could close school, never mind to take a trip to albany. who is paying for this trip? by what right does she have to unilaterally decide to close the schools. she claims that she was going to have lessons on the bus up to albany. i wonder what that lesson even looked like. >> okay. are these charter schools outperforming the public schools? is the only reason why the mayor shut these schools down is because they were looking for tax-free money? >> the mayor shut down these three schools because there are problems with these three schools. >> not performing? >> right. they're not performing and they are also mixed with high school students in the same school. that's one of the issues that

the mayor had. but the jury is out in terms of how charter schools are performing. the scores are flat. i want to say right off the bat also i'm not anti-charter. i happen to have a very good charter cool school in my district, the renaissance charter school. it happens to be a unionized charter school. we're not against charter schools. we're against the corporatization and charterization of schools like eva moskowitz is operation. >> how is this going to end up? this is going to brew to be a huge battle. >> i'm going to have an oversight hearing in the new york city city council to find out how she was able to close the schools, to look at her salaries and to investigate the charter school situation overall in new york city. >> is mayor de blasio correct in his efforts in your opinion? >> absolutely. mayor de blasio has been fantastic on this issue. his trip up to albany today to support pre-k is vitally important to the future of new york city students. >> where is the governor going to come down on this? >> i'm not sure. i understand he did attend this rally today, we will see.

we need pre-k. >> mr. drum, thanks for joining us tonight. this is a battle that we'll talk more about, because it's happening all over the country. it's hot here in new york. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight from miami. tonight's lead, republicans playing politics with national security. obama the president is facing a major crisis with russia's invasion of the ukraine. we've already seen russian soldiers firing warning shots in a standoff today. >> this is serious.